The Better Boarding Method Airlines Won't Use

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Optimal boarding method for airline passengers: arxiv.org/abs/0802.0733
Experimental test of airplane boarding methods: www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0969699711000986

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KOMMENTARE

  • What about families?

    Ben AllanBen AllanVor 51 Minute
  • Also, I do think you can get people to line up in a row. It's not that hard. Just sort everyone that wants to stand in the line with a few nice ground personell. From a mathematician or enginering perspective it might look impossible, I understand.

    HarmenHarmenVor Stunde
  • In the fastest way possible, why do they skip a row? And, both sides of seats could be used in stead of only one. Don't understand, seems suboptimal to me.

    HarmenHarmenVor Stunde
  • Also, what if we could store the luggage while standing in front of our chairs?

    HarmenHarmenVor Stunde
  • So, why not sort on row number? So that 90% of suitcases can be stored at once?

    HarmenHarmenVor Stunde
  • barssssssss

    Luke McleanLuke McleanVor 4 Stunden
  • My technique: be the LAST to board, go to my reserved AISLE seat, near an EXIT, and be the FIRST to exit. Thank me later. P.S. that, unfortunately, is still nothing compared to the ever-increasing paranoid level of control in the airports, from the check-in, over the security, to the boarding gate, leading to your stay at the fricking airport being longer than the flight itself.

    EA 333EA 333Vor 5 Stunden
  • 2:38 proletariat boarding group lol

    jonathan cribbsjonathan cribbsVor 6 Stunden
  • Of course, this is mostly only a problem in the US and China, two countries where people insist on bringing oversized luggage and the airlines do nothing to stop it. Plus, they suffer under the imposition of being complete idiots. That's why boarding in the US or China takes 30-60 minutes, while it's a 15-30 minute exercise in most of the rest of the world.

    iatsdiatsdVor 6 Stunden
  • Where does Southwest fall in this?

    Dip333Dip333Vor 6 Stunden
  • I just flew and we boarded first first class then front to back

    x Ludicrous xx Ludicrous xVor 8 Stunden
  • i think your forgetting there are always douchebags who try to get on the plane first no matter where they sit.

    a guy from nza guy from nzVor 9 Stunden
  • As long as airlines keep letting these idiots with giant carry on luggage taking up all the overhead space we will all continue to suffer. When was the last time you have been on a flight and the overhead compartments still had room? I can't remember. People will always abuse the system.

    clvinningclvinningVor 11 Stunden
  • Umm people board randomly on all airlines I’ve been on.

    Jakub RourkeJakub RourkeVor 12 Stunden
    • From the front and back doors

      Jakub RourkeJakub RourkeVor 12 Stunden
  • Supposing that people dont push each other and ignores the fact other people are trying to leave, yeah, this would work

    Akrer GamesAkrer GamesVor 13 Stunden
  • Whatever man. There is nothing funnier than getting a group together (me and my cousins) to block the line for 10 minutes on purpose. It is more beautiful than the perfect, most efficient method.

    Dan NurDan NurVor 13 Stunden
  • Delta Boards be class / airfare / medallion status / etc... ultimately resulting in front to back. ...because if they didn't, the people who paid more would get pissed when overhead bin space runs out...

    ⟪ VBS ⟫⟪ VBS ⟫Vor 14 Stunden
  • This was your worst video. Didn't make it to three end.

    Daniel JackowitzDaniel JackowitzVor 14 Stunden
  • Nice vid keep up the good work

    SeanPlaysGamesSeanPlaysGamesVor 14 Stunden
  • on a personal note!!! I don't give a doodoo if it takes 20 more minutes. im on vacation baby.. except for the crying baby for 3+ hours;), I find it hilarious people who rush to get on the plane!! you have to wait for me anyways moron lolol

    Michael OrearMichael OrearVor 15 Stunden
  • 4:46 OF COURSE it was an Apple sheep

    Element of KindnessElement of KindnessVor 16 Stunden
  • I don't even fly. Why did I watch this?

    Robin MoreauRobin MoreauVor 16 Stunden
  • Check all bags larger than a day packs or purses.

    Lohan CindyLohan CindyVor 17 Stunden
  • So, you want a Southwest plus method.

    Jaron H-MJaron H-MVor 17 Stunden
  • Grey got downright existential there. What happened to him?

    Foxy454Foxy454Vor 17 Stunden
  • We're basically throwing math at human psychology, and human psychology screws it up every time. For instance, you didn't take into account the jackasses that, upon seeing open seats when they board, figure they can just sit wherever they want. (EG: they have an aisle seat, but decide to take a window seat that's open). Then, when the person who owns that seat shows up, there's a big bog down from the re-shuffle (and often the jackass tries to negotiate... "oh, I have a condition, so I have to sit next to the window.") Their logic is that it's better to assume the seat is free and give it up after-the-fact, then to sit where they need to and move later. But, it slows things down.

    therandomdottherandomdotVor 17 Stunden
    • Or more accurately, his model was too simplistic to account for additional human factors/parameters. It's like he formulated a method for herding sheep in a stockyard, not humans onto a plane.

      Bugler55Bugler55Vor 14 Stunden
  • Capitalism, my friends. Soak it up

    SBinK MediaSBinK MediaVor 17 Stunden
  • Just came here because of James

    Jouse MartinezJouse MartinezVor 18 Stunden
  • And that folks is why communism doesn’t work, people are better off by themselves than being controlled for everything.

    Dominus FonsDominus FonsVor 18 Stunden
  • First class dont always go first, Sometimes the airline likes to get all the slower disabled people (Usually physically disabled ones) out of the way before all of the others go in.

    AvionicsGDSAvionicsGDSVor 18 Stunden
  • I think Airlines should take the incentive model to the max and charge people extra who take too long, with the slowest person getting no food and a voided return ticket.

    Knut KnusprigKnut KnusprigVor 19 Stunden
  • It's strange that every time someone discusses this, they freak out the complication where people want to sit together breaks the algorithm. Just consider the grouped people as a single unit belonging to the outmost seat, because they will behave as such.

    Christopher VerderyChristopher VerderyVor 19 Stunden
  • the airline I always use (southwest) has people line up based on the number on their ticket but there's no assigned seating. edit: the first checked bag is also free

    Bryce MaverickBryce MaverickVor 19 Stunden
    • Bryce Maverick and second

      Sam ClementsSam ClementsVor 11 Stunden
  • Flying suck! And TSA is garbage

    Misha GrinMisha GrinVor 19 Stunden
  • Not sure if that would be practically possible, but how about asking people to first go sit, with their bags on their laps, then once a large enough number of people has boarded, tell them they can now stow their bags?

    Joel HJoel HVor 20 Stunden
  • I'm interested in your opinion on the voting system

    aldo jacoaldo jacoVor 20 Stunden
  • I don't think Steffen would be unattainable, all you need to do is have a screen by the gate and a speaker which goes 'ONE, ONE, ONE,' and ONE flashes up on the screen in time and person one is supposed to get up. Then a few seconds later, two, etc. It's inevitable that someone would be slow and the number after them ends up going before them, no biggie. It's still mostly efficient. Also, yes there would be assholes who are like number 5 so they slowly go over to the gate when 2 gets up but if you have staff that pounce as soon as someone starts to block the gate it will still mostly work. Thanks for giving me a winning strategy for my future airline CGP Grey.

    Mahojo HodgeMahojo HodgeVor 21 Stunde
  • Honestly, why would you even want to be on the plane first? It won't even begin to leave until everyone is on board and seated, and I would much rather spend more time in the terminal than on the plane, considering the absurdly small amount of space you have on the plane

    Renske DunnewoldRenske DunnewoldVor 21 Stunde
  • 3:25 I'm pretty sure Southwest Airlines still uses this boarding method.

    DiamondOrPoor 78DiamondOrPoor 78Vor 21 Stunde
  • Yes, we can go "further" but not "farther."

    Eric EnblomEric EnblomVor 21 Stunde
  • Why did you assume preassigned seats for this analysis? Any chance of comparing the Southwest model where you pick your seat while boarding?

    Mike Bentz IIMike Bentz IIVor 21 Stunde
  • this isnt cgp grey its dr suse

    UGD_InsanityStarUGD_InsanityStarVor 22 Stunden
  • but wouldn't it be better if everyone just goes to their seats and wait for others to follow in? Then unpack and put their bags on top of them?

    SmekSmekVor 22 Stunden
  • 6:08 goddamnit Nuclear War! Hurry up and finish us ;_;

    Carbon CoffeeCarbon CoffeeVor 22 Stunden
  • Not every culture is incredibly undisciplined, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a long, tidy and silent boarding line in Japan.

    MrAmad3usMrAmad3usVor 22 Stunden
  • or just make everyone sit with a tiny bag on their lap till everyones on

    DJ ScottdogDJ ScottdogVor 22 Stunden
  • The reason we don't board back to front is because it would shift the center of gravity dangerously behind the main landing gear. As fun as it would be to make your plane do a wheelie, it would most definitely delay your flight.

    Justin HydeJustin HydeVor 22 Stunden
  • Talk about future proofing! This video is in 5K 60fps!

    116426853786909798816116426853786909798816Vor 23 Stunden
  • Airlines will not board passengers by AISLE because it would separate children from their parents. You wouldn't send a five-year-old by themselves with a group of strangers to find their seat. That would force parents to sit behind their children instead of next to them if they wanted to board together.

    The BeebzThe BeebzVor 23 Stunden
  • Ah, the naive solution

    Shandy SulenShandy SulenVor 23 Stunden
  • Computer programmer here. The best/optimal solution is to remove the problem of people stocking their luggage completely. Companies could use a conveyor belt that runs through the entire luggage system storage in the plane, and have it connected to an outside portable conveyor belt system, so that passengers can preload their luggage before they even have to get on.

    ARevengeBrokenARevengeBrokenVor Tag
  • first class *PROLETARiAT*

    KappaKorpsKappaKorpsVor Tag
  • Are you from Knoxville?

    Volsmoke 101Volsmoke 101Vor Tag
  • I've never experienced boarding groups

    AnonymousAnonymousVor Tag
  • Or you could be Southwest and say, “You guys still have to go onto the plane in groups, but sit wherever the hell you want.”

    Random GarbageRandom GarbageVor Tag
  • Use 'first come first serve'

    KelvinKelvinVor Tag
  • Wait... I've never been in a flight using boarding groups before. The first class goes first, and then afterwards every other person lines up randomly, go through a ticket checkpoint at the door, and just... go in. You can stay behind to wait for someone or cut the person in front when reasonable. (like when they're waiting for someone or walking too slow so as to cause a gap.) Do airports not usually do this? I've only ever seen this method in my travels!

    Nathania BenitaNathania BenitaVor Tag
  • I check my bags and get on the place at the last minute so that I don't have to deal with the nonsense.

    Gary HarperGary HarperVor Tag
  • I know you have a ton of topics to cover already. But how about "The brief history of germany and a hole lot more" . But be prepared to review one of the worst and slowest and weirdest forms of politcal and geographical history.

    marc hillemarc hilleVor Tag
  • But what about airplanes where you can board in the front and also in the back? And the boarding pass requests in which entrence you should board? How much faster is that and What is then the quickest way?

    immartalimmartalVor Tag
  • Or, set up a shopping checkout style conveyor belt for the bags, starting as you scan your boarding pass (2 lines). Just drop them on the conveyor, board back to front, and your bag ends up roughly above your head. No pausing to stow your bag, boarding time reduced. Exiting the plane is someone else's problem to solve, I'm done here.

    Paul NPaul NVor Tag
  • You wait in the plane anyway, does not really matter if you board fast or not...

    onat aykutonat aykutVor Tag
  • First world problems! though i did like the use of the wii music.

    404404Vor Tag
  • I hate flying!

    aftermathematics365aftermathematics365Vor Tag
  • What about a mother with a young child with their own seat next to their mother, should the child be forced to go on the plane 15 mins before or after their mother?

    S Q U I D SS Q U I D SVor Tag
  • Most first world video I have ever seen

    WittyBaguetteWittyBaguetteVor Tag
  • Wouldnt work because people show up late or dont pay attention and get in line late so they get mixed up.m

    jawknee21jawknee21Vor Tag
  • I have experienced flying in Europe, primarily budget airlines but they primarily use the random boarding method. They also put stairs at the back sometimes. Faster? Much.

    HansatiosHansatiosVor Tag
  • I'm sure this must have been pointed out by somebody already but you do realize a lot of people traveling families and loved ones a lot of people are terrified of flying in the idea of being alone freaks then the F out

    Stephen SeimakovichStephen SeimakovichVor Tag
  • have you ever had to be a part of a family in need of air transit when you're 9 and your two younger siblings are 8 years younger, while also remaining within eye reach, as well as tangible reach bc of non-selective child abuse

    Jackson GJackson GVor Tag
  • Have you ever heard of Southwest

    McBoy ProductionsMcBoy ProductionsVor Tag
    • XD

      wojo4hitzwojo4hitzVor 23 Stunden
  • Boarding the plane fast doesn't matter to passengers, *it's deplaning or the process of exiting the plane that's a bitch.* The dumb idea that every person in the row in front of you must get their bags and exit before you dare to move down the aisle is insanity.

    David J GillDavid J GillVor Tag
  • I feel like opening my own airline just to implement this

    Thomas TurnerThomas TurnerVor Tag
  • On domestic flights in China they definitely use the "Confused Solipsist" method whereby everyone is first in line, no one knows where their seat is but they're certain you're sitting in it, baggage size-limits are for everyone else, and unpacking one's belongings in the isle is annoying when anyone else does it but when you do it, it's very important.

    William Miles La MontWilliam Miles La MontVor Tag
  • Great video!

    Max MacCluerMax MacCluerVor Tag
  • why is this poetry

    F WF WVor Tag
  • There's no profit in being logical. After all airlines want to make more money.

    william louiewilliam louieVor Tag
  • are you ok like are you actually ok

    Block HeadBlock HeadVor Tag
  • 5:37 Start the OCD-gasm....

    Sharon BeswatherickSharon BeswatherickVor Tag
  • People trave in group i.e familys and would bord the plane togather...

    Hus 9Hus 9Vor Tag
  • The amount of “wasted” time is much less than the wasted time spent watching this video. I’m not going to make my 7 and 8 yr old kids stand by themselves. Nor my 73 yr old mother in law. No solution here, move along.

    rustOfunkrustOfunkVor Tag
    • You already get to board first when they ask for anyone with small children or anyone needing extra assistance to board first.

      wojo4hitzwojo4hitzVor 23 Stunden
  • I have only ever once seen a quadruple partner parallel

    Xavier StephensonXavier StephensonVor Tag
  • Window, Middle, Aisle is completely implausible. People buy flights in couples, or groups, and line up together when they are sitting next to eachother. Any mathematical solution has to respect what happens in reality too. It would be interesting to see a simulation that is based on the statistics of what happens - ie some people later than others, some in groups, some with bags, some no bags, etc.

    Dean AlexDean AlexVor Tag
  • Grey, you probably won't see this comment, but as an American planning to leave the USA for probably the UK, I and many others would be very interested in a video that talks about what prompted you to leave and or how to actually get all of the paperwork in order to actually leave. Also, I would like to see how they compare with each other and if the UK isn't the best choice if I want to escape screens everywhere, horrible healthcare, and overly processed food

    wazzupmanwazzupmanVor Tag
  • 3:05 CASEY!

    Eo DaBoEo DaBoVor Tag
  • CGP Grey? I have a few questions. What’s the best time for school to start and end? What’s the best amount of days in a school year? And finally, when should the school year itself start and end?

    Nathan LNathan LVor Tag
    • Those are good questions I need the answers to!

      Miłka ChromińskaMiłka ChromińskaVor 13 Stunden
    • that was three questions

      FroggyRibbitsFroggyRibbitsVor Tag
  • They could also open a second door or board through one of the middle doors.

    SuperSteveSuperSteveVor Tag
  • They should just do people with kids/disabilities first, then people with bags that go in overhead bin second, then people without bags last. If you travel without anything that goes in the overhead, you should get a discount. That would incentivize people to travel lighter, save on fuel, and speed everything up.

    Megan JohnsonMegan JohnsonVor Tag
  • I saw a nova episode about this, and I wasn't surprised at all when *it* was the top method :) GG though

    Jeffrey *Jeffrey *Vor Tag
  • I just skip the queue and take the jump seat in the cockpit. It works with every airline except Pan Am because I wear their uniform.

    CasCasVor Tag
  • I feel glad I have never rode a plane.

    Doran GauthierDoran GauthierVor Tag
  • I regularly fly RyanAir (budget airline flying only 737's) who board from front and rear doors. Sitting in the front half of the plane? Board from the front door. Same for the rear. It is random boarding. But I always choose in the rear half but in the middle of the plane, so if I get to board at the start it is pretty easy. They normally exit the plane from both doors as well, so I just sit and wait until the plane is almost empty, stand up, get my bag and walk off the plane.

    Strangely JameslyStrangely JameslyVor Tag
  • i can just imagine how much copy paste you used in this video

    CandyCandyVor Tag
  • Grey back to front could be faster, just do the same BUT instead of having 4 left and right rows per boarding group have 1 left and right row per boarding group also my airport does random

    Horsey BoiHorsey BoiVor Tag
  • 5:10 why not use both like the back window seats first then back middle then back isle then middle window, middle middle , middle isles etc

    Sean MagnerSean MagnerVor Tag
  • Lol in Ireland we don’t have boarding groups we literally just all get on the plane and it’s like 30 minutes of a mess of people standing up and putting bags up in the overhead basically 3:30

    Sean MagnerSean MagnerVor Tag
  • Cars and Trains for me, much more efficient and relaxing.

    Tommy PlaysTommy PlaysVor Tag
  • Make the aisles have space for 2/3 people

    xXJazzy JayXxxXJazzy JayXxVor Tag
  • Pretty depressed this video, eh Grey?

    Kanal QKanal QVor Tag
  • Just give me a private plane

    EET FUKEET FUKVor Tag
The Better Boarding Method Airlines Won't Use